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Stein Rørvik
From the latest release-notes:
"Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"

This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking "bold" they just look "blurred".
This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0

If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.

Is there any way to revert to the old behaviour, by introducing a setting under "Appearance" or by a start-up command?

Stein

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Re: New icons look

Wayne Rasband-2

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From the latest release-notes:
> "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
>
> This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking "bold" they just look "blurred".
> This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0

The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.

> If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.

This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting I used in the screenshots.

-wayne


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Re: New icons look

Curtis Rueden-2
Hi all,

> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> > font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font. Increasing the
> > GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug.

Could someone with Windows 10 and a HiDPI screen please try running ImageJ
using the JBRSDK8 runtime?
   https://confluence.jetbrains.com/display/JBR/JetBrains+Runtime

I believe JetBrains has backported bug-fixes relating to HiDPI displays
with this build of the OpenJDK8.

If it works, perhaps we could update ImageJ's bundled version of Java to
use it.

Regards,
Curtis

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:45 PM Wayne Rasband <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > From the latest release-notes:
> > "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
> >
> > This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking
> "bold" they just look "blurred".
> > This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use
> "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> > I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0
>
> The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and
> Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots show
> the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.
>
> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> > Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the
> Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting I
> used in the screenshots.
>
> -wayne
>
>
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Re: New icons look

Stein Rørvik
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Thanks, this works perfectly!

I forgot to mention that I don't use any high resolution screens or change any DPI settings in the OS. The default font size of 15 and scaling of 1.0 looks good for me on both small and large screens, so I have never seen any need for changing it.

Setting the font size to 0 did not work for me, the main menu font is still small when scaling is larger than 1.0. When scaling is smaller than 1.0, the font scales proportionally down with the icons and sub-menu fonts, so it looks good (but quite small on my laptop screen). I did not find any screenshots in the post?

Stein

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11. juni 2020 00:45
Subject: Re: New icons look


> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From the latest release-notes:
> "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
>
> This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking "bold" they just look "blurred".
> This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0

The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.

> If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.

This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting I used in the screenshots.

-wayne



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Re: New icons look and Screen capture

Cammer, Michael-3
I was wondering whether this discussion relates to the problem with screen capture.  (I just noticed the location in menu changed from older ImageJ, but this is not the question.)


On WIndows 10 Ctrl-Shift-G only collects a small portion of the upper left of the screen.  Two years ago or so Wayne sent me instructions how to fix this, which worked (of course), but caused another problem of making the ImageJ program so small that it was unreadable.  Changing the scaling fixed the problem of text size, but the icons remained tiny and jumbled together over the mismatched text.  After playing with this two or three times, I gave up.


Having to use the Snipping tool slows down work flow a lot.


If the problem is now resolved, would you please list the steps required to get the screen snap working again with ImageJ looking and behaving normal?  This would be great!


Thank you!


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From: Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: New icons look

[EXTERNAL]

Thanks, this works perfectly!

I forgot to mention that I don't use any high resolution screens or change any DPI settings in the OS. The default font size of 15 and scaling of 1.0 looks good for me on both small and large screens, so I have never seen any need for changing it.

Setting the font size to 0 did not work for me, the main menu font is still small when scaling is larger than 1.0. When scaling is smaller than 1.0, the font scales proportionally down with the icons and sub-menu fonts, so it looks good (but quite small on my laptop screen). I did not find any screenshots in the post?

Stein

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11. juni 2020 00:45
Subject: Re: New icons look


> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From the latest release-notes:
> "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
>
> This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking "bold" they just look "blurred".
> This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0

The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.

> If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.

This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting I used in the screenshots.

-wayne



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Re: New icons look and Screen capture

Wayne Rasband-2
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Cammer, Michael <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I was wondering whether this discussion relates to the problem with screen capture.  (I just noticed the location in menu changed from older ImageJ, but this is not the question.)
>
> On WIndows 10 Ctrl-Shift-G only collects a small portion of the upper left of the screen.  Two years ago or so Wayne sent me instructions how to fix this, which worked (of course), but caused another problem of making the ImageJ program so small that it was unreadable.  Changing the scaling fixed the problem of text size, but the icons remained tiny and jumbled together over the mismatched text.  After playing with this two or three times, I gave up.
>
> Having to use the Snipping tool slows down work flow a lot.
>
> If the problem is now resolved, would you please list the steps required to get the screen snap working again with ImageJ looking and behaving normal?  This would be great!

Try these steps:

1. Upgrade to the latest daily build (1.53c31).
2. Open the ImageJ.exe>Properties>Compatibility panel and check "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings”.
3. Set “GUI scale” in Edit>Options>Appearance to a value that makes the ImageJ window a reasonable size.

The screenshots at
   http://wsr.imagej.net/download/images/ImageJOnWindowst.png
show Image running on Windows 10 with a GUI scales of 1.0 and 1.3.

-wayne

> ________________________________
> From: Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: New icons look
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Thanks, this works perfectly!
>
> I forgot to mention that I don't use any high resolution screens or change any DPI settings in the OS. The default font size of 15 and scaling of 1.0 looks good for me on both small and large screens, so I have never seen any need for changing it.
>
> Setting the font size to 0 did not work for me, the main menu font is still small when scaling is larger than 1.0. When scaling is smaller than 1.0, the font scales proportionally down with the icons and sub-menu fonts, so it looks good (but quite small on my laptop screen). I did not find any screenshots in the post?
>
> Stein
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: 11. juni 2020 00:45
> Subject: Re: New icons look
>
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From the latest release-notes:
>> "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
>>
>> This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking "bold" they just look "blurred".
>> This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
>> I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0
>
> The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.
>
>> If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
>> Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting I used in the screenshots.
>
> -wayne

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Re: New icons look

Stein Rørvik
In reply to this post by Curtis Rueden-2
I did a quick test of the Jet Brains 8 runtime and it seems to work fine with ImageJ,
however the menu font scaling issue is identical as with the distributed Java 8 version.
I do not have a HDPI screen, I am currently using a laptop with 1920x1080 resolution screen.

I have only spent something like half an hour testing it, but it seems to work fine with both Volume Viewer and the 3D viewer (using Java 3D 1.6.2 from jogamp). I will in the near future do some more demanding stuff (rigid registration of 8-12 GB sized stacks) so I can try it then too. Perhaps measure the time each operation takes to see if there are any speed differences.

BTW, is there some benchmark macro anywhere I can try?

Stein

-----Original Message-----
From: ImageJ Interest Group <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
Sent: 11. juni 2020 00:50
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: New icons look

Hi all,

> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> > font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font. Increasing the
> > GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug.

Could someone with Windows 10 and a HiDPI screen please try running ImageJ using the JBRSDK8 runtime?
   https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconfluence.jetbrains.com%2Fdisplay%2FJBR%2FJetBrains%2BRuntime&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cstein.rorvik%40sintef.no%7C3067e0932c6345afa8c908d80d90cede%7Ce1f00f39604145b0b309e0210d8b32af%7C1%7C0%7C637274262894491052&amp;sdata=lgNJeofmc95%2BUfE2NEraXTn%2B4d4xOn0GoXOTX8ZY08E%3D&amp;reserved=0

I believe JetBrains has backported bug-fixes relating to HiDPI displays with this build of the OpenJDK8.

If it works, perhaps we could update ImageJ's bundled version of Java to use it.

Regards,
Curtis

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:45 PM Wayne Rasband <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > From the latest release-notes:
> > "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
> >
> > This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking
> "bold" they just look "blurred".
> > This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use
> "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> > I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0
>
> The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and
> Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots
> show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.
>
> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> > Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the
> Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting
> Edit>Options>I
> used in the screenshots.
>
> -wayne
>
>
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Re: New icons look

Stein Rørvik
I found the benchmark menu entry at
Plugins - Utilities - Benchmark

So comparing JetBrains Java with Oracle Java:

Distributed version of ImageJ 1.53 with Java 8:
  java.version: 1.8.0_112
  java.vendor: Oracle Corporation
  os.name: Windows 10
  os.version: 10.0
  os.arch: amd64

Nile Bend image = 16.767 seconds

JetBrains Java 8 Runtime:
  java.version: 1.8.0_252-release
  java.vendor: JetBrains s.r.o
  os.name: Windows 10
  os.version: 10.0
  os.arch: amd64

Nile Bend image = 17.104 seconds

So virtually identical performance here.

Stein

-----Original Message-----
From: ImageJ Interest Group <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Stein Rørvik
Sent: 11. juni 2020 23:30
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: New icons look

I did a quick test of the Jet Brains 8 runtime and it seems to work fine with ImageJ, however the menu font scaling issue is identical as with the distributed Java 8 version.
I do not have a HDPI screen, I am currently using a laptop with 1920x1080 resolution screen.

I have only spent something like half an hour testing it, but it seems to work fine with both Volume Viewer and the 3D viewer (using Java 3D 1.6.2 from jogamp). I will in the near future do some more demanding stuff (rigid registration of 8-12 GB sized stacks) so I can try it then too. Perhaps measure the time each operation takes to see if there are any speed differences.

BTW, is there some benchmark macro anywhere I can try?

Stein

-----Original Message-----
From: ImageJ Interest Group <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Curtis Rueden
Sent: 11. juni 2020 00:50
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: New icons look

Hi all,

> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> > font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font. Increasing the
> > GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug.

Could someone with Windows 10 and a HiDPI screen please try running ImageJ using the JBRSDK8 runtime?
   https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconfluence.jetbrains.com%2Fdisplay%2FJBR%2FJetBrains%2BRuntime&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cstein.rorvik%40sintef.no%7Cf6cc6e63719042f8ddcc08d80e4ef66a%7Ce1f00f39604145b0b309e0210d8b32af%7C1%7C1%7C637275079616529294&amp;sdata=ZL0uL9qpoWvAI89rUq91wG1OXk5hpYxUOQl%2FIF1%2BsQE%3D&amp;reserved=0

I believe JetBrains has backported bug-fixes relating to HiDPI displays with this build of the OpenJDK8.

If it works, perhaps we could update ImageJ's bundled version of Java to use it.

Regards,
Curtis

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:45 PM Wayne Rasband <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Stein Rørvik <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > From the latest release-notes:
> > "Tool icons are bolder when the GUI scale is less the 1.5"
> >
> > This does not look good on my screen; instead of the icons looking
> "bold" they just look "blurred".
> > This is inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, which generally use
> "sharp" looking fonts and lines.
> > I am on Windows 10, Java 8, 64-bit, and use a GUI scale of 1.0
>
> The latest daily build does not make the icons “bolder" on Windows and
> Linux when the GUI scale is 1.0. The attached Windows 10 screenshots
> show the ImageJ window at a scale of 1.0 and 1.3.
>
> > If I try to change the GUI scale to anything else than 1.0, the menu
> font changes to a really small and hard-to-read font.
> > Increasing the GUI scale makes the menu font stay tiny.
>
> This is a Java 8/Windows 10 bug. Setting “Menu font size” to 0 in the
> Edit>Options>Appearance dialog seems to work best. That’s the setting
> Edit>Options>I
> used in the screenshots.
>
> -wayne
>
>
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